Coin Dealer Ethics Follow-Up - Discussion Forums
Wednesday July 9, 2008
Last week, I presented a scenario concerning censorship on coin collecting-related online discussion forums. I explained that PCGS has a policy of banning people from their discussion forums because they point out mistakes the company made, or say negative things about the company's employees. An example was given where a member was kicked off the forum because he posted a photo of the heavy-handed moderator of the PCGS forum. I asked whether forum moderators are violating the standards of free speech when they suppress discussions they don't like, or if paying for the discussion service does give the moderators the right to censor the content. (Follow the link to read the entire scenario about censorship on discussion forums and see more of the comments readers left.)
Reader responses were approximately evenly matched between those who feel that PCGS is overstepping the bounds of fairness with their heavy-handed moderation, and those who feel that PCGS has every right to filter what is said at their expense. Whether or not the concept of free speech even applies to these situations was questioned by numerous readers.
Reader responses were approximately evenly matched between those who feel that PCGS is overstepping the bounds of fairness with their heavy-handed moderation, and those who feel that PCGS has every right to filter what is said at their expense. Whether or not the concept of free speech even applies to these situations was questioned by numerous readers.
I hate to see the “free speech” argument come up in discussions about private companies and individuals. Free speech protects people from censorship by the government. This forum is not government-run, so they can censor whom they please.
If I invite you into my living room, and you start talking about dogs, and I hate dogs, I can insist that you leave. It would be weird, and it would probably prevent you from wanting to return, but it would be my right as an individual. -- Sandra
Should not the issue be about whether the forum is open to the public? If PCGS’s forum is a member only forum wherein only members can read and write the posts then I would assume that the free speech issue would not be relevant. On the other hand, if PCGS opens their forum up to the public domain then I would think that they must observe the tenets of free speech and any governing laws. -- Chip
Censorship is not a violation of “Free Speech” laws with regards to individuals or corporations (e.g. I censor what websites my kids visit and the language that they use; my employer does the same to me)...These readers make pretty convincing arguments that the concept of "free speech" does not apply to privately-owned (non-government) discussion forums. So, assuming PCGS is within their rights to censor their forums, how far should they go?
These organizations create these forums to promote their business by driving traffic to their sites. They invest the money to bring up and run the forum, therefore they have control over what goes on it or what is removed from it (in addition to deleting “spam, flaming, libel, and other problem posts.”) -- Jim
There is a difference between what PCGS (or any sponsor of a forum) CAN do and what they SHOULD do. Amplifying Bill’s comment, they CAN act in a heavy-handed manner, but doing so devalues the usefulness of the forum. In the same way, PCGS CAN rate everything they receive as an MS-70 (although the value of a PCGS rating would, however, plummet if they did so), they SHOULD rate things fairly and consistently (which, for the record, I believe they by and large do.) -- GordonAs some readers pointed out, there are clear consequences to a heavy-handed moderation approach:
...If PCGS is purposely removing postings that say anything negative about them, then they are pretending to the world that they are the greatest and can do no wrong. That means to me that I would never use their service nor purchase any coins that have been slabbed by them. This is because I believe they cannot be honest enough to take a negative remark and honestly answer that negative comment with a reply. I guess they just think they are above all that, as if they are the only game in town. -- LC
Years ago I used to post a lot of messages on the PCGS board. Then they banned a number of people whom I respect, and I decided that I would not lend my expertise there on as regular a basis. Before those people were banned I posted over 10,000 messages mostly giving advice. I’m a part time dealer and I’ve been collecting U.S. coins, tokens and some medals extensively for over 45 years. Now I go over there only when things are slow on the NGC message site, and my postings are way down.The comment thread for the original scenario eventually devolved into some off-topic trawling, which seems to emerge primarily in columns where I discuss PCGS and it practices. It wasn't my intention to pick on PCGS when I created this discussion, which was the entire reason why I asked openly for feedback. Although I tend to be very liberal in what I allow people to say in the several forums I own and/or moderate, it seems that I am in a small minority in this regard. I wondered, what is the consensus view when it comes to high-profile and leading coin collecting-related businesses (such as PCGS) engaging in discussion-censoring practices? Well, the consensus is that PCGS has every right to run their forum however they want to, but the way they're doing it might not be the most effective and beneficial way it can be done from a professional and public relations standpoint.
My view is the same as it is for TV programs. If you don’t like what’s on, change the channel. I don’t care for the heavy handed attitude on the PCGS site, so they don’t see very much of me. They are paying the bills so they have right to allow what they want. BUT I also have the option of not giving away my expertise for free. And because of that PCGS pays a price too. -- Bill
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I agree that any forum has a right to limit anything they wish and this is in no way a violation of free speech. I think what is happening at PCGS when it comes to their forum is bigger than just eliminating criticism of PCGS. I have seen negative threads last for weeks without being deleted and positive threads go poof in an instant. What is happening at the CU is a control game and it continues to drive real collectors away who are tired of being harassed by the “attack pack”. There are many other coin forums out there where collectors are still treated with respect. The PCGS CU Forum just happens not to be one of them.
I was banned from the PCGS boards for stating he truth about their customer service lying to me regarding their dipping a coin sent for submission. Also there Director of Sales lied to me. I am a paying member and this is a country founded on free speech. Yeah! I can go some where else and have because they banned me and many other good, knowledgeable collectors just for telling the truth.
In a culture where they can lie but when members tell the truth they go poof, is not a culture that is healthy and that I want to belong to. They are arbitrary, wrongheaded and unconstitutional.
I think one important element that has been entirely overlooked is the liability issue of allowing members to publically defame former members who can no longer defend themselves after they were banned. Sort of like a trial where only the the prosecution is allowed to present evidence and the defense is not allowed to say anything.
It happens all the time. And the forum can be used as a propoganda tool.
PCGS and others had to pay damages in a lawsuit brought against them for defamation of character arising member postings on their forums.
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BB… the case brought about by ASA Accugrade is not only irrelevant, but was dismissed for lack of grounds. Accugrade sued everyone they could when it was reported that a report published by PNG/ICTA called Accugrade’s service unacceptable when compared to other grading services. All but PNG and ICTA were dismissed because they did not publish the report but the first amendment allows them to report on the findings. PNG and ICTA portions was dismissed since it could not be determined whether the report caused damage to Accugrade’s business.
In total, this case is totally irrelevant to the situation at PCGS.
What has not been said is that PCGS is part of Collectors’ Universe, a publicly traded corporation. Adverse statements published on their systems may have to be reported under the rules of Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX). This could effect the public perception of the corporation and the stock price.
There may be more to the story than “censorship.”
Scott . . perhaps you would like to provide a link where the suit was dismissed?
Is it possible that you are confusing where certain defendants were dropped from the suit. Mainly those who made the offensive posts were dropped but the deep pocket boys were kept in as defendants. PCGS being one of them kept in.
Here is the link to the “3rd amended complaint.” http://www.asa-accugrade.com/lawsuit/ThirdAmendedComplaint.php
Lots of vulgar things were said on those forums and you can find them again highligted in blues at: http://www.biddlesbank.com/page12.html
Scott . . would you be so kind as to provide a link to the dismissal? It was my understanding that there was a sealed settlement.
Many believe it was dismissed because they (some PCGS forum posters) were dropped as defendants for posting vulgar and defaming insults.
However by the filing of the 3rd amended suit only the deep pocket defendants were left including PCGS. (Can’t get much out of mouthy posters.)
Here is the link to the 3rd amended suit; http://www.asa-accugrade.com/lawsuit/ThirdAmendedComplaint.php
So Scott, if you have actual dismissal information you should post it here so the world can see that saying vulgar, vile and defaming matter on web site forums intended for public numismatic consumption is perfectly legal for both the poster and the host.
Thanks Susan for bringing this issue up .
I think PCGS CAN do anything they want
with their money , just not to pretend to be
open internet forum , that they are not !!
If they will start every forum page
with the warning : “you can post here
only the things we will like to read/hear” ,
then , it’s fine with me .
BUT , they don’t do that ,
they pretend to be something we all know ,
but , actually , they behave differently .
In my opinion this is a commerce cheating !
If a dealer will sell you an oven
that only heats certain foods but refuse
to cook other foods (as we all expect it to work) ,
you will have a just case against that dealer .
Why does PCGS have the right to “sell” the
public an “open internet forum” ,
when their product isn’t so ???
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Does anyone besides me ever wonder if this whole industry is built on a house of cards? And all it takes is one PR nightmare to tip the whole thing over.
Makes me understand censorship if not actually support it (excepting cases of defemation).
I agree with #9. It seems the whole capitalist system as it exists now is based on manipulation and proping up markets. The government lies to us about inflation and GDP and buys stocks futures to keep up stock prices.
It use to be you worked hard, you did well. You made a mistake, you lose money. Now everyone wants a bailout.
It’s common knowledge in the coin industry that the Hagar case was thrown out. If you are a member of the PCGS forums you would have seen a long discussion about it.
I agree 100% with #4. Making him “prove it” is childish when it’s well known.
Hi Mardi, I have some information of that Stella, please give me a call at your convenience at toll free 866-550-9095. I have some pictures of it too. If you were interested to acquire one it may very well not be available by the time you see this unfortunately…
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101 Judo Ippons! A great movie with a lot of great throws and submissions!
UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights EP01 HDTV 720p (x264) :: HDTV
ADCC 2003 Brasil – 2 avi
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Juan Manuel Marquez – HBO-PPV(NTSC) :: DVD
Rick Young Filipino Martial Arts – Stick & Dagger XviD avi :: XviD/DivX
Inside MMA 2008 12 26 HDTV XviD-KYR :: HDTV
Catch Wrestling The Lost Art of Hooking Disc’s 1-4 DVDRip XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
Rampage Unchained Uncut and Uncensored DVDRip XviD-UF
Stephan Kesting – Grappling Drills – Vol 2 Hip Movement avi
Carlson Gracie Brazilian jiu-jitsu -For experts only ebook :: Other
Strikeforce Lawler vs Shields HDTV XviD-aAF :: HDTV
2009 04 11 Bellator FC II yAzMMA avi
Jonathan Snowden – Total MMA (Inside Ultimate Fighting) pdf :: Other
The Filipino Martial Arts by Dan Inosanto 6 DVD Set-UPiNSMOKE :: DVD
Absolute Fedor French DVDRip XviD-RzR :: XviD/DivX
KOKODAN-KATAME NO KATA GRAPPLING JUDO AVI
Robson Moura Fusion Modern BJJ 05 Butterfly Guard
The Pit Workout Disc 1 :: DVD
Affliction Banned 2008 720p HDTV x264-aAF :: x264
Tony Somera- Estilo de Abanico :: DVD
Rotator Cuff Relief :: Other
IFL “Las Vegas” 02-29-08 HDrip WS Xvid :: XviD/DivX
Yuki Nakai: Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Complete Techniques Vol 2 (BJJ Elite) *** :: DVD
UWC Ultimate Warrior Challenge 6 Relentless DVDRIP XviD-PuffY :: XviD/DivX
Pat Miletich Learn To Fight And Win Vol 1-3 DVDRip :: XviD/DivX
UFC best fights
UFC 104 Prelims HDTV XviD-BigTex
Mike Fowler NoGi Made Easy – Disc 1 DVDrip :: XviD/DivX
Marcelo Garcia – Winning Techniques Of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu – Series 2 – Volume 6 – Advanced Submissions
BodogFight – Clash of the Nations (4 14 2007) DVDRip :: XviD/DivX
Nino Schembri Killer Butterfly & Human Crucifix
UFC 100 Post Fight Press Conference :: WMV/ASF
HDNet Fights Strikeforce Destruction 2008 HDTV XviD-OMiCRON
RMA – Vladimir Vasiliev – Systema – Fundamentals of Knife Defense :: XviD/DivX
Leonard Holifield Hand to Hand Combatives (VHS Rip) :: XviD/DivX
Steve Maxwell – Grappler Strength And Conditioning – Vol 1 avi
UFC 81: Breaking Point (Retail DVD DL US NTSC) Vobset :: DVD
Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton – HBO PPV small filesize :: WMV/ASF
clinic on stretching and kicking with tom kurz :: DVD
UFC All Access Sean Sherk WS DSRip XviD-aAF :: XviD/DivX
Shooto Legend #5 – Norifumi Kid Yamamoto :: XviD/DivX
UFC 91 Couture Vs Lesnar DVDRip XviD-KYR :: XviD/DivX
Robson Moura: Fusion 2 – Disc 1 (BJJ Elite) :: DVD
UFC 102 Nate Marquardt Vs Demian Maia XviD-XS :: XviD/DivX
King of the Cage – Outlaws – untouched UK DVD Rip – uk501 :: DVD
The Contender S04E09 REAL HDTV XviD-KYR :: XviD/DivX
Arm-Locks for All Styles – Iain Abernethy – pdf :: Other
World Professional Jiu-Jitsu Cup 2009 Disc 2 :: XviD/DivX
Robert Drysdale: Nth Dimension Jiu Jitsu – All in 1 DVD5 (BJJ Elite) :: DVD
UFC Fight Night Live Tyson Griffin vs Rafael dos Anjos
UFC 100 Countdown HDTV XviD-KYR :: HDTV
Affliction Day of Reckoning PPV HDTV XviD-aAF
Showtime Boxing Bute vs Andrade PDTV XviD-SUNSPOT :: XviD/DivX
UFC•Fight•Night•Live•17•Mac Danzig vs Josh Neer•XviD•BluntzRip :: XviD/DivX
Shaun T – Insanity Preview – Plyometric Cardio Circuit (Beachbody) – ISO] :: DVD
The MMA Show – With Mauro Ranallo
UFC 98 Countdown PDTV XviD-433 :: XviD/DivX
UFC 107 Preview with Dana White XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
UFC52: COUTURE VS LIDDELL II
Pancrase 1994-07-26 Road to the Championship 3 XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
Best of 2008 BJJ Worlds D1 DVD5 ISO PROPER :: DVD
Stephan Kesting – Grappling Drills – Vol 4 Guard avi
2008 Pan Am Jiu Jitsu Championships XViD :: XviD/DivX
UFC 105 prelim – Paul Taylor vs John Hathaway :: WMV/ASF
Samurai Jiu Jitsu (soke Robert Clark) :: XviD/DivX
Pride FC Wanderlei Silva-Fighting For Pride
John Berardi – Precision Nutrition
Frank Shamrock-Guaranteed Submission Combos
Inside MMA 2009 01 02 HDTV XviD-aAF
HDnet Fights Initiation Night 10-13-07 Part 1 HDrip WS Xvid :: XviD/DivX
Braulio Estima vs Eduardo Telles and more European bjj 2009 :: MPEG/xVCD
Robson Moura Fusion 2 – Volume 6 – Loop Choke Fusion
Meldrick Taylor vs Julio Cesar Chavez I
UFC UFC 102 Chris Leben Vs Jake Rosholt XviD-Doggz :: XviD/DivX
WVR Sengoku 11 720p HDTV x264-KYR :: x264
Spartan Health Regime
Tyson 2009 DvdRip Xvid MegaGun :: XviD/DivX
WEC 37 Torres Vs Tapia Main Event DivX IceMan :: XviD/DivX
Dream 12 720p HDTV x264-WB :: x264
Pavel Tsatsouline – 25 More Kettlebell Exercises
Pentjak Silat / Guro Bob Dubljanin :: XviD/DivX
Chris Brennan FREESTYLE JIU-JITSU
UFC 103 Franklin vs Belfort 720p PPV HDTV x264-aAF :: x264
HDNet Fights Strikeforce Destruction 2008 HDTV XviD-OMiCRON :: HDTV
Dream 12 Won Sik Park vs Kuniyoshi Hironaka XviD FCZ-village1diot
bully beat down so2 ep 7
Hell-Cage 2 2008-10-19 XviD DVDRip avi :: XviD/DivX
Low Quality 9] Kazuhiro Nakamura vs Kazuo Misaki (2009-08-02) :: XviD/DivX
UFC 107 Countdown HDTV
Inside MMA 2009 09 11 HDTV XviD-WB :: HDTV
Muay Thai TV 2009 03 22 Channel 7 Stadium :: XviD/DivX
Gracie Combatives Disks 1-6 DVDRip XviD-Zeus :: XviD/DivX
WEC 21 Tap Out (xvid divx ppv) :: XviD/DivX
Intro to the Interface of Gun, Knife, & Empty Hand Crafty Dog Gabe Suarez :: MPEG/xVCD
JUDO: Kyozo Mifune Collection
Real Dogbrothers
Combat Sambo – Master Tony Lopez – Street Fighting Dirty Tricks
UFC 99 Prelim Hathaway vs Story :: XviD/DivX
Jim Wagner compiled articles
Principles of the Kerambit, by Ray Dionaldo :: DVD
Ju-jitsu Evolution by Marc Bremart DVDRip XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
PSL X Mission 2006 Couture Vs Jacare DvD Ripp Xvid :: XviD/DivX
UFC 98 Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra SDRIP x264 :: x264
Ultimate Combat 8: Retribution(dvd ripp) xvid divx :: XviD/DivX
Webinar – Shoulder Training Using the Kinetic Chain :: WMV/ASF
Pavel Tsatsouline Book Pack
CAGE FORCE 09 :: XviD/DivX
Headache VCD 04 06 08 09 10 :: MPEG/xVCD
Randy Couture- mma instructional
Gracie Combatives Disk1 DVDRip XviD-Zeus :: XviD/DivX
Robson Moura – Super NoGi Jiu Jitsu (BJJ Elite) :: DVD
Ultimate Knockouts 7 avi
Emin Boztepe Wing Tsun Punching Techniques w/Eskrima Techniques
Chan Sung Jung – Career Pack :: Other
PDG4 Dan Henderson By Machinemen :: Other
Jean Jacques Machado
Cage Rage 8
Scrawny to brawny :: Other
UFC 87 Prelim – Ben Saunders vs Ryan Thomas by Bulletproof :: XviD/DivX
M-1 – Fedor Emelianenko vs Gegard Mousasi – Exhibition Match
Bas Rutten Invitational 1 :: MPEG/xVCD
Kalasag Kuntao Silat Vol 3 – Buno (grappling) avi
UFC High Definition Photos :: Other
KOTC- FLAMING FURY
FEDOR EMELIANENKO The Never Ending story by Machinemen :: MPEG/xVCD
ufn 1-18
Brooks Kubik – Bodyweight training – Leg & hip :: XviD/DivX
UFC 103 Countdown HDTV XviD-KYR
MMA 101 Referee DVDRip XviD-SoS
Tony Cecchine – Catch Wrestling
Iain Abernethy – Applied Karate – Vol 2 – DVDrip :: XviD/DivX
Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense by Jack Dempsey (1950) :: Other
Underground Grip Fighting Secrets D3 (BJJ Elite) :: DVD
Kyokushin Karate – Francisco Filho – Hyakunin Kumite (100 man fight)
Top 100 Taekwondo Scoring Techniques -DVDrip :: XviD/DivX
Marcelo Garcia Submission Grappling Series1
Senshido Surviving The Streets – Complete :: DVD
Mike Fowler – No Gi Made Easy – Knee on Belly :: x264
Dengue Fever :: XviD/DivX
ESPN E60 Kimbo Slice XviD-Misfits1977 :: XviD/DivX
The Contender (Asia) – Ep 8
Tyson Griffin Highlight by damien :: WMV/ASF
16 1 Dynamite] Mirko Filipovic vs Hong Man Choi (www kimjudas blogspot com) :: XviD/DivX
Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2001
Russian Martial Arts – Vladimir Vasiliev – Systema – Defense In Confined Space :: XviD/DivX
Bully Beatdown S02E08 DSR XviD-sHoTV :: XviD/DivX
Muay Thai Fights No Gloves :: MPEG/xVCD
BJJ – William Bittencourt – Mastering the De La Riva Guard :: XviD/DivX
Kuroda Tetsuzan-Kuroda Family Bujutsu :: XviD/DivX
Jungle Fight 5 dvd (ppv source) :: Other
EliteXC Uprising 2007 Extras DVDRip XviD-W4Y :: XviD/DivX
UFC 92 Countdown WS DSRip XviD-aAF :: XviD/DivX
UFC Fight Night Live Ryan Bader vs Carmelo Marrero SDRIP x264 :: x264
The Ultimate Fighter Rampage vs Rashad S10 EP11 XviD
UFC All Access – Rich ”Ace” Franklin :: XviD/DivX
Sumo Nagoya Basho 2008 Day 7 :: XviD/DivX
UFC Career – Junior Cigano” Dos Santos :: x264″
ACT – Cutting Edge Self Defense – Shannon Stallard – RIPPED :: MPEG/xVCD
2009 09 22 WEC WrekCage E23 Xvid-JR
Heros Korea 2007 Kim vs Garcia a99223 :: WMV/ASF
2009 BJJ Mundials Dics 1 – Mens Black Belt Finals :: x264
EliteXC ShoXC 1 DVD Ripp :: XviD/DivX
National Geographic – Fight Science – Science of Self Defense 1 HQ DVD Rip :: XviD/DivX
245 fights (mp4) Fedor, Saku, Wandy, Penn, Genki, Gomi, Hendo, Hellboy :: Other
Marcelo Garcia Series 3 Volume 1 SUBMISSION TAKEDOWNS
Mike Fowler-NoGi Made Easy Disc’s 1-4 DVDRip XviD-UPiNSMOKE*** :: XviD/DivX
Unaired Fights UFC 2 avi
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Instructors Series 1-8 DVD-RIPs :: XviD/DivX
Pancrase 1998-05-12 Advance 6 :: XviD/DivX
Arlovski vs Rodriguez FULL FIGHT :: XviD/DivX
Boxing 2009 Ring Magazine World Lightweight Championship Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz PDTV XviD-W4F
bully beat down so 2 ep 1-8
The Contender (Asia) – Ep 12
Marcelo Garcia 4 5 – The guillotine by VT33 Bjj Elite team
Jerome Le Banner vs Ladislav Kovarik :: XviD/DivX
Koji Komuro Komlock :: Other
Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua :: XviD/DivX
The Contender (Asia) – Ep 3
NO FEAR – The Manny Pacquiao Story pts 1&2
Saulo Ribeiro Jiu Jitsu Revolution Disc 6 ISO :: DVD
UFC 84 Prelim – Kim vs Tan (English) :: WMV/ASF
Unaired Prelim UFN 2 Jon Fitch vs Brock Larson-Ace (missing from career pack) :: WMV/ASF
Strikeforce on NBC 06 15 08 HDTV XviD-LionsDen :: HDTV
Jeff Westfall Muay Thai Novice 1-3 & Intermediate 1-2 :: XviD/DivX
danny dyers deadliest men so 2 ep 1
Roy Harris Warsaw Seminar 3 Open Guard mpg
Marco Lala – FightingSecrets Vol11 – Destructive Low Kicks Vol 2 avi
pavel tsatsouline – naked warrior avi :: MPEG/xVCD
No Gi Grappling DVD by Marcus Vinicius Di Lucia :: DVD
National Geographic Channel – Perfect Weapon – Battle Blades :: MPEG/xVCD
National Geographic – Human Weapon – Eskrima
SIRIUS Fight Club – 09/25/2009 :: MP3
The Secrets to Gaining Muscle Mass – Fast
Ricardo Arona Seminar in France
The Anabolic Diet by Dr Mauro Di Pasquale :: Other
Koji Komuro Compilation :: Other
UFC 100 Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping•HDTV•720p•x264•BluntzRip :: Other
Heros 10 Yamamoto vs Fernandes a99223 :: WMV/ASF
Shooto – Shooto Tradition Final
The Ultimate Fighter S09E03 HDTV XviD-aAF :: HDTV
Vincent Fields Leglock Instructional MP4 :: MPEG/xVCD
2009 11 06 The MMA Show XviD-JR
Inside MMA 2009 07 31 HDTV XviD-KYR :: HDTV
Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do Books
NJPW Ultimate Crush 5/2/03 Full Event XviD (As *) :: XviD/DivX
Marvin Hagler vs Thomas Hearns
Kukishinden Ryu Kenjutsu Kihon DVD :: DVD
Got Fight? -Forrest Griffin book
The Ultimate Fighter 10 Post Fight Interviews Divx :: XviD/DivX
Marcus Vinicius Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Techniques And Tactics Vol 4 – Chokes DVDRip :: XviD/DivX
WEC WrekCage E02 HDrip WS Xvid
TUF 08 Finale Prelim Kingsbury vs Lawlor :: XviD/DivX
Title Boxing Instructionals DVDRip XviD Vol 1-16-GUMBLE
Fedor Emelianenko – 2005 Combat Sambo World Championship
Fedor – The Baddest Man On The Planet avi
Mirko Filipovic CROCOP – All fights in the career (50 fights)
MMA Live 2009 07 30
Taoist Tai Chi (108 movement) :: MPEG/xVCD
Anthony Johnson UFC career
National Geographic Explorer Inside Sumo XviD IceMan :: XviD/DivX
Marcelo Garcia SeriesII — 06 – Advanced Submissions
Zelg “Benkei” Galesic – Career Pack
UFC 82 Prelim: Sanchez vs Biekheden :: WMV/ASF
The best of Pancrase vol 1
MMA Career – Gina Carano
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Street Self-Defense vol 1 :: DVD
Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman – Rumble In The Jungle
Muay Thai – The Art of Fighting pdf :: Other
GSP Rush to Success 3 of 4 – Fight Network – :: XviD/DivX
Survive Vicious Ground Attacks (Volume 2 off 2) by Moni Aizik (MP4) :: MPEG/xVCD
Marcelo Garcia SeriesII –05 – Taking The Back
2009 08 17 MMA Connected Xvid-JR :: XviD/DivX
Various martial arts and fighting e-books (By Nightstalker) :: Other
Kukishinden ryu Bojutsu Kihon (S K Hayes) :: DVD
Ginastica Natural for fighters AVI
UFC 101 Prelim Lennox vs Villefort-VX :: XviD/DivX
DREAM 6 – Gegard Mousasi vs Melvin Manhoef (www fight2live net) :: XviD/DivX
Marcelo Garcia SeriesII –04 – Advanced Guard Passing
Mark Hatmaker – Armored Plated DVD 1 :: DVD
Gatti vs Ward Trilogy
Demian Maia Science of Jiu Jitsu 2 – Vol 1 Passing The Guard DVDRip :: XviD/DivX
Ballistic Striking by Val Riazanov (2 DVD RIPs) :: XviD/DivX
Finnfight 9 SWEDiSH DSRiP XviD-MaM :: XviD/DivX
88] Rich Franklin vs Matt Hamill (2008-09-06) www kimjudas blogspot com :: XviD/DivX
Sergei Beloglazov Russian Freestyle Vol 1 :: DVD
bully beatdown 0202 dsr xvid-chgrp avi
UFC 92 The Ultimate 2008 DVD from PPV :: DVD
Rick Young – Mid-Range Crosstraining – Vol 1-2 *** RESEED REQUEST *** :: XviD/DivX
Pride FC Hardcore Knockouts Vol 3 :: XviD/DivX
Brandon “The Truth” Vera Career – 12 of 14 Fights] :: XviD/DivX
KSW 11 :: DVD
Arthur Abraham vs Mahir Oral-ARD-2009-06-27 (GER) :: XviD/DivX
UFC Wired S02E04 WS PDTV XviD-EPiSODE :: XviD/DivX
Sergio Martinez vs Kermit Cintron !RK! avi :: XviD/DivX
Ricardo De La Riva: Master of Jiu-jitsu DVD2 :: DVD
Frederic Delavier – Strength Training Anatomy :: Other
Jeet Kune Do-Dan Inosanto-Grappling (reseed)
SENGOKU NO RAN 2009 – Maximo Blanco vs Seigo Inoue (fight2live net) :: MPEG/xVCD
Mark Hatmaker – ESP RAW Vol 74-84 :: XviD/DivX
Born to be Strongest: Kyokushin Karate Instructional DVD Set :: DVD
The Ultimate Fighter S09E08 HDTV XviD-aAF :: XviD/DivX
Salamone – Wrestling Plan for the Jiu Jitsu Man Module 2 Disc 2 DVDRip :: XviD/DivX
Inside MMA 08 21 09 HDTV XviD XS pocKetKnight avi
Pavel Tsatsouline – Resilient Advanced Kettlebell :: XviD/DivX
Frank Shamrock – Advanced Submissions ,2,3,4 Vol] :: XviD/DivX
Inside MMA 2009-01-02 XviD IceMan
The Contender Season 1 Espisode 4
Fighter – Randy Couture
Evander Holyfield vs James Toney :: XviD/DivX
UFC 93 weigh ins By Amobination
UFC 103 High Definition Photos :: Other
Denis Kang My Mixed Martial Arts 2005 DVDRip XViD :: XviD/DivX
Rumble on the Rock-9(2006-4-27)DivX AC3Magoo avi :: XviD/DivX
Rickson Gracie’s Budo Challenge DVD :: DVD
Inside MMA 2009 05 08 HDTV XviD-KYR :: HDTV
Cage Rage 27
Craig Kukuk – Brazilian Jiu Jitsu A-Z 13 DVD Set D-10 :: DVD
Sky Sports Friday Fight Night 2009 05 29 WS PDTV XviD-433 :: XviD/DivX
Primal Power by Kevin Secours DVD-RIP :: XviD/DivX
RMAX Powered Internal Martial Arts DIVX :: XviD/DivX
Tito Ortiz vs Forrest Griffin :: XviD/DivX
UFC 101 Countdown 720p HDTV x264-KYR :: HDTV
Maltese – Silat :: MPEG/xVCD
Over 300 Submission Grappling Techniques From Side Control
Rick Hernandez-Primal Warrior vol 3 :: XviD/DivX
SUMO – Nagoya Basho – 20060718 avi :: XviD/DivX
Black Belt Magazine 2009-11 pdf :: Other
The Practical Grappler (ALL 3 DVDs under 700MB) :: DVD
SBGi camp 1
Muay Thai from Thai TV, 2009-04-05, Aswindam :: XviD/DivX
John Smith – Scrambling Scoring From a Bad Position avi
Kodokan Judo – Ju No Kata (Forms of Flexibility) :: XviD/DivX
King of the Cage – Raging Bull – untouched UK DVD Rip – uk501 :: DVD
2009 10 21 Fight News – UFC 104 Preview Xvid-JR
Pavel Tsatsouline – Super Joints avi
Steve Cotter’s Encyclopedia Of Bodyweight Conditioning – Disc 2/3 :: DVD
MECA world vale tudo -Best of 1-
U-Japan official jap VhsRip 17 11 1996 ( check the line up! ) :: XviD/DivX
UFC All Access Wanderlei Silva avi
UFC ULTIMATE COMEBACKS DVDRIP
Emerson Combat Karambit Volume 1
2009 10 05 MMA Connected Xvid-JR :: XviD/DivX
Roger Gracie MMA Career :: Other
John Brown – The boxing lessons :: XviD/DivX
WEC 43 HDTV XviD-BigTex
UFC Ultimate New Years Eve 2003 PPV PROPER-NBS (5CDS)
Demian Maia Science of Jiu Jitsu Elite DVD5 Version (BJJ ELITE) :: DVD
Jeff Speakman Kenpo 5 0 Yellow Belt :: MPEG/xVCD
Big Fight Special 2009 07 24 WS PDTV XviD-433 :: XviD/DivX
Dr Phil Featuring Dana White, Forrest Griffin and Kenny Florini -15-09] :: XviD/DivX
UFC 85 BEDLAM avi
ken cohen qigong course :: MPEG/xVCD
Ziran Men Combat Essence 1&2 and Groin Protection qigong :: XviD/DivX
Mitsuyoshi Hayakawa Amazing BJJ Techniques Vol 1+2 (BJJ Elite) DVDRip XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
UFC Primetime St-Pierre vs Penn II (Part 1) XviD IceMan :: XviD/DivX
Ultimate Fighter Rampage vs Rashad S10 EP06 XviD BluntzRip :: XviD/DivX
John Wayne Parr vs Mike Zambidis :: XviD/DivX
Training For Warriors
Kettlebells from the ground up :: DVD
Fedor Emelianenko Seminar DVDRip Hard ENG Subs XviD :: XviD/DivX
Alan Goes – Mission Submission with Gi
2009 08 14 The MMA Show Xvid-JR :: XviD/DivX
Kickbox Core Cross Training :: XviD/DivX
Wanderlei Silva Fight Collection 39 fights XviD (2nd update) vs Kazuyuki Fujita :: XviD/DivX
UFC 107 Preview with Dana white flv :: Other
UFC 2 – No Way Out
Jorge Santiago Collection (13 Fights) :: Other
Intocombat – Circuit Training for MMA avi
HDNet M-1 Challenge USA East Vs USA West Semi Finals XviD-Zeus
02 1 Challenge Finals] Chang Seob Lee vs Toni Valtonen (www kimjudas blogspot com) :: x264
The Ultimate Fighter S10E12 Finale HDTV XviD-W4F :: HDTV
UFC 107 PPV 720p HDTV x264-KYR :: x264
Ricky Hatton Career Highlights
TUF 9 Finale Unaired Prelims :: XviD/DivX
Mario Sperry Vale Tudo II
UFC 101 Countdown PDTV XviD-KOENiG :: XviD/DivX
Sakuraba- The Legend of Kingdom
UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights EP05 HDTV 720p (x264) :: HDTV
Nogueira Vale Tudo Japan
Strikeforce Challengers 2009 Evangelista vs Gurgel 720p HDTV x264-WB :: x264
Inside MMA 06-19-09 XviD-psykotick :: XviD/DivX
SIRIUS Fight Club – 10/06/2009 :: MP3
Kill or Get Killed (1991)
Jeremy Horn’s Elite Fight Night 1 :: MPEG/xVCD
sengoku 3 marcio pe de pano cruz vs choi mu bae :: XviD/DivX
Tony Blauer – S P E A R System for Women & Self-Defense coaches: Rape Safe (VHSrip) – ReSeed :: XviD/DivX
Pencak Silat Master the Scissor Kicks DVDRip XviD-UPiNSMOKE :: XviD/DivX
Ballistic Striking by Val Riazanov (2 DVD Set) :: DVD
Evan Tanner – UFC Fight Collection :: XviD/DivX
ultimate Fighter S9E10
TapouT S02 E01 XviD IceMan :: XviD/DivX
WAFC – Mayor Cup( aka World Championship) 2004 :: XviD/DivX
UFC 107 REAL PPV HDTV XviD-KYR :: HDTV
Alexandre Socas No Gi Techniques DVDRip Xvid-MaM :: XviD/DivX
JAP SENGOKU GOLD 4/13/09 SENGOKU 8 PREVIEW
Tyson Fury vs John McDermott (11th Sptember 2009) (Xvid)] :: XviD/DivX
UFC 92 Weigh Ins Complete XviD IceMan :: XviD/DivX
UFC All Access Forrest Griffin WS DSRip XviD-aAF :: XviD/DivX
Submission Spirits JAP DVDrip with Eddie Bravo
LA Sub X Grappling Event
K-1 Romanex :: XviD/DivX
Brazilian Vale Tudo 6
Wing Tsun – Antigrappling & Chi Gerk * :: Other
Webinar – Training Considerations for Basketball :: WMV/ASF
8] Opening (www kimjudas blogspot com) :: XviD/DivX
USA Wrestling Coaches Syllabus – GRECO ROMAN
Andrzej Golota Vs Tomasz Adamek-Boxing show in Lodz TVRip XviD-krzychu18 :: XviD/DivX
hdnet fights featherweights vol 1 avi
Knife Fighting DVD 1 – Fight from a Stalemate by Felix Valencia :: DVD
Roberto Atalla – Brazilian Ju Jitsu
Bob Orlando – Fighting Forms of Kuntao-Silat (2 disc set, no workbook) :: DVD
Fields•K-1•World•Max•Final•Tournament•English•FullEvent•x264•BluntzRip :: x264
2009 08 21 The MMA Show Xvid-JR :: XviD/DivX
World Extreme Cagefighting-Exposed HDTV XviD-aAF
First UFC Fight Ever wmv
Inside MMA@StrikeForce Weigh Inz XviD BluntzRip :: XviD/DivX
Pedro Carvalho vol 1-24 :: XviD/DivX
World Jiu Jitsu Championships 2008 Best Of Disc 1 dvd rip xvid :: XviD/DivX
UFC-103 Vitor Belfort Vs Rich Franklin :: XviD/DivX
Pavel Tsatsouline: 7 Books
UFC 89 Prelims – avi :: XviD/DivX
Joe-DeFranco–Strong–The-Movie :: Other
Sengoku no Ran 2009 – Sergey Golyaev vs Eiji Mitsuoka :: XviD/DivX
Grapplers Quest West 8
Leo Vieira Extreme JiuJitsu DVD5 :: DVD
WEC•44•Mike Brown vs Jose Aldo•HDTV•x264•BluntzRip :: x264
PRIDE 25 – BODY BLOW – lipekm
Ewerton Teixeira – Career Pack :: XviD/DivX
Brazilian Jiu-jitsu 2007 World Championship (Best Fights 2) Divx
Aleksander Emelianenko Career Update fights] :: XviD/DivX
Ryan Hall Master The Triangle Disc 3 :: DVD
SIRIUS Fight Club – 07/21/2009 :: MP3
Minoru Mochizuki demo :: XviD/DivX
Kosen Judo Collection
Erik Paulson – Counters To Finishing Holds Vol-I avi